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The Jadczyk - Weidner CorrespondenceFrom:
Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea>
On 18 Dec 2001, at 20:37, Goldenshower@... wrote: >
If they have chosen to communicate with you, then it shall be shown by
your No kidding. I complained about the early attacks a couple of years ago. I had no idea how bad it would get. All they said was "You should rejoice! From the fire comes light." Easy for them to say. > I just didn't know how bad it was. Yes, I had a couple of experiences with friends betraying me when I was growing up, but I never dreamed that just trying to do what I am guided to do, because it is the thing to do, and trying to do it cleanly at all times, would bring such fire. But, I shouldn't complain. I think there are many who have suffered worse. > I think I need a bit more of the discretion part. Well - a LOT more. I have always been very open and willing to share everything I have learned. I am beginning to understand why there are some secret groups. In THIS world, it is necessary to survive. Re magick: it doesn't work on me either. I burst out laughing even thinking about it. I once saw some photos of early 20th century OTO types in their "magical" get up, and I couldn't believe that grown men would go to all that trouble to look so ridiculous and take themselves seriously. Well, I hope you can get Babel, if not, when we get the new site working smoothly... or I can send. It's an amazing little book. VB, by the way, didn't think too much of it. Too focused on his kaballah which is utter nonsense to me. I was later surprised to hear him describe it (Babel) completely backward from what it is and teaches. I was sort of amazed. Laura From:
Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea> On 19 Dec 2001, at 12:32, Goldenshower@... wrote: >
I can take pdf attachments. Sorry about VB. I wonder what he is going
to do to Well, you are being included in a number of the really ugly flame posts, mostly having to do with the fact that you didn't have the guts or brains to withstand our terror tactics of blackmail... along that line. But, I decided that there is no point in just forwarding all that junk. I was getting so upset myself. Oh, it is pretty rich. There is a "team" effort, it seems. They will dialogue back and forth on this discussion board. I could spend all day taking everything apart, providing the evidence, witnesses, etc. and - as we have already seen, it makes no difference. I guess that's what convinced me it was a real intelligence operation. VB has absolutely no shame in being caught in an outright lie, he will just shift the subject, go on the attack again with another whole string of outright, bald-faced, outrageous lies. So, we are just watching him rant. L From:
Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea> Hi, You wrote that things are going to get very weird. Well, yeah. (By the way, do let me know if you downloaded Babel or if you would prefer I send it as files. It's probably faster to download.) VB and his gang were over on the Matrioshka list just doing their mechanical energizer bunny lying, with some escalation of course, and with heavy emphasis on how innocent VB is and he never said or did anything you addressed in your letter, the implication being that you were either lying or the most naive guy in the world for being susceptible to our blackmail... or the ULTIMATE evil: that we are the cunning and clever of manipulators of all time to be able to twist your mind etc etc. Well, as I said, there is like a "team." They work as a group and escalate everything in their public dialogues back and forth and it's like having "clappers" in the audience. They will even say things like: "WOW! Yes, you are Soo right! Glad you brought that up!" amongst themselves, and it is SO obvious... but only to the person who knows it is all lies. Those who do NOT know it is all lies, is naturally engaged by it. Well, as I may have mentioned, C*** B*** who did several years research on Montauk and wrote a book about it, was taken in by a similar operation. She is sincere and really wants to get to the bottom of things (her uncle is head of the B*** clan, by the way). When she realized that her research and her book had been "co-opted," and now she was being flamed and marginalized in exactly the same pattern, she wrote to me and explained what had happened. Well, I knew all the time that she was writing the book that our correspondence revealed that she was really sincere and she had good instincts, so when she sent me one of the first copies, and I read what had happened between our discussions and what actually made it to print, I couldn't figure out what happened. But after we published our investigation on VB, and since she reads our site regularly, she wrote and said: "oh my God! you too??!!" Well, there are a couple others she knows in her circles in New York. One of them is the journalist I mentioned, who I talked with via phone day before yesterday and who wants to do a three part series on the deal. HE found a guy who specializes in unmasking disinfo agents and COINTELPRO operations. Guy named Sweeney, website: http://www.proparanoid.com Well, C*** wrote to Sweeney and he wrote back, and she forwarded the info to me and I wrote to him for his packet of info. I also read everything on his site, especially his "8 traits of the disinformationalist" and the 25 rules of disinformation. After reading all that, I knew we had been had for sure, no doubt, done and tied up. One of the interesting things he noted was a "three day delay" when the target does something "unexpected." Now, this is the strangest thing about VB that I had noticed, and I always attributed it to him needed three days to do some kind of mumbo jumbo or something. It is almost always exactly three days between the time we have posted something on the site, and his response... Well, this guy Sweeney says that this is because they have "profiles" on their targets, and when the target does NOT do what the profile predicts, they have to submit a report, it goes to the psych profiler who runs it through a computer or something, and all the parameters are adjusted and a new "tactic" is devised. Okay, now we get to the weird part (as if ALL this isn't weird enough!) On the Matrioshka list where this team has its main forum of clappers and staged activities... just about 3 days ago, when VB started this attack on you for being blackmailed (which started exactly three days AFTER we posted the letter on the site, by the way) and just outdid himself for scummy behavior, all of a sudden, this guy starts posting back to him EXACTLY according to the "set-up" of the Sweeney disinfo exposure plan. It was pretty awesome to see this guy, whoever he is, operate. Well, his name on the list is "Preston Singer." So, if it is Sweeney, he's using an alias. So, after slamming VB righteously, VB disappeared - (the three days will be up tomorrow), from the list and Preston got quiet. What I can't figure out is: if it is Sweeney or someone trained by him, who hired him? I mean, Sweeney is NOT cheap. We can't afford him, for sure. So, at first I thought that maybe you did it... that maybe you know a lot about this sort of thing and have connections. But I looked at the membership list, and Preston joined the list BEFORE you and I had even discussed anything about VB and cointelpro. So, that zilched THAT idea. So, who the heck hired this guy - IF he has been hired - to go out there and engage VB this way? Next thing was, I was thinking a lot about what this operation is designed to do. It is obviously not a big disinfo spreading type thing or they would be doing it differently. Also, if that was the case, then VB would have some "real credentials." No, it seems to be narrowly focused... One thing about it is that by having his stuff all through your work, and his name on it, when he is "embarrassed" for being such a fraud, it embarrasses you ... and the same would apply to us. Well, since the C's managed (via the mirror session I sent) to expose VB so that we did not take the final steps into THAT region of the trap, obviously, the plan was shifted. At this point, the activity seems to be focused to evoke a particular reaction in ME. And of course, that reaction is to just drive me to give everything up, throw in the towel, or embarrass myself in some way. It is also certainly designed to keep me so busy in defense that I don't get the book finished. As to how it is going to spread in your direction, I don't know. At present, it is limited to just trying to make you look like a schmuck with me as the Evil Dominatrix Manipulator and Black mail... heavy on the black mail part. I also now realize that those two years of discussions I had with VB were all phoney. Every answer he wrote me was from YOUR work, (except, of course, the endless arguments about Cabala vs. Kaballah etc) and he was pumping me like crazy for info. Also, it was exactly 6 days after Jon Cunnyngham was here that VB started the operation in ernest. Jon has some VERY strange connections, and one of them was with Drunvalo... and in recent times that connection has come to mean a lot more. Jon had a relatively high security clearance and did some major gov contracting at Wright pat in Ohio and did his Ph.D. under Milton Friedman (I think that's the right guy - economics). Meanwhile, Terri Burns, prof of English lit at Uni Wisc seems to be VB's "handler." The whole thing is sort of apparent by its shadows on the wall, though exactly who's behind it is hard to tell. Bridges of them seem to be "unconscious operators," but Burns seems to know what she is doing, and is well-placed for that type of activity. Her involvement in the situation is also dynamic from all angles... she is at the center of the web as far as we can see it. Well, we almost have the site moved and operational, so progress is being made. I am still very curious about this Preston Singer guy and where he came from, but I am not going to look a gift horse in the mouth. Somebody sent him... or he is just an angel of light or something. Weird, indeed. Laura Continue with the "Weidner" Correspondence From:
Goldenflower@....Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:00:58 EST I will reply to your letter in detail. The truth is getting closer all the time. I need to ask you a question: you told me about an incident with Debra Lawlor seeing VB in NC. Are you sure that the name was Debra Lawlor? It is important. Lastly, for now. I have been holding out. Bill Cooper began reading AMET on the air two days before he was killed. I wrote to him on Tuesday, or the second day of his reading, and thanked him for the help. He was very gracious and told me that the book was great and he would read it in its entirety for the next 12 nights. He was dead within four hours of the email. I may have beeen the last person to communicate with him. The next day I went for my usual hike around the mountain top around Zaca to get away from everything and think about what happened to Bill. A black, unmarked helicopter began following me and circling around me for about ten to fifteen minutes. Three days later I went hiking again. This time with a friend and guess what happened? The chopper returned! This time it landed on a hill above me and my friend. After about ten minutes of just sitting there on the hill above us it suddenly took off again. It followed us for about 15 minutes more before disappearing. Perhaps you want to think twice about communicating with me. I have suddenly become very dangerous for some reason. I know what it is but I have gone to far to turn back. I am sorry if I have caused you any trouble. You actually seem like a nice person and I was way to harsh on you. Live and learn. That's what it is all about. Jay From:
Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea> On 21 Dec 2001, at 0:00, Goldenflower@... wrote: >
I will reply to your letter in detail. The truth is getting closer all
the Yeah. Small comfort though. > Yes. Unless I have the name wrong. He said she was there just before he came here in July when O*** and B*** were here. Unfortunately, I don't have an email on this since it was communicated verbally and face to face, and the communication just sort of began to cave in after that. But he was complaining of being "sick" after she was there which he attributed to her doing some sort of mumbo jumbo on him. As nearly as I can recollect, this is a woman doing a translation - a sort of expert French speaker, correct. He said she was involved with Henry Lincoln, and that her ex-husband was some sort of expert on Nostradamus, I believe. If that name and those details match in some respect, then that's who it was. So, he said that this person took him and Darlene to dinner to try to "pump him" for info about me. I don't know that this is true, or just part of him trying to scare me. But then, it could be true because those weirdos have been after me since I was born. Then he described how he so craftily pumpe HER for info and that somehow she let it out that she was translating this mysterious book... and he was then proposing that there was a "mystery player" in the game and it was all very much a race to get some info. Well, I was very interested in this book that he said he had a copy of, because I am just generally interested in arcane books. But I don't speak or read anything but English, so I sort of innocently asked if it would be possible to get a translation and he went off on a thing about how impossible that would be... But, the MAIN thrust of what he was saying was that he "protected me" from this woman who was (obvious to him) an agent of some sort... and he muttered darkly about European secret societies and basically your Foucault's pendulum type of deal. > Also very interesting. I had some exchanges with Bill about a year and a half ago, or thereabouts. I was trying to let him know that the C's have a pretty good record of keeping my buns out of hot water, or at least hauling them out of the fire before I get really toasted. I figured he could use some deeper insight for defense. He blew me off because its "channeled." Well, yeah, it is... but it is absolutely, positively, NOT standard New Agey stuff. Back in 94, in the early days of the contact, I was corresponding with Karla Turner and the C's sort of volunteered an urgent warning for her one night. I conveyed it to her, but she blew it off because it was "channeled." Well, she was dead a little over a year later from a sudden, fast growing cancer... Anyway, I felt sort of urgent about Bill at the time. And when I received the news about him, at the specific time it happened, I just could see that some sort of signal was being broadcast that "turned on" different "agents" and they began doing what they were programmed to do. And that included VB et al... they all went off like bombs in their respective spheres...
It's really weird. And, as you say, getting weirder. > Not a surprise. > Well, after having that active agent in my house, stealing transcripts, erasing evidence on tape, and just generally wrecking havoc with my life, including a hard drive crash on the first electric surge after she was here - a mild one, but it destroyed my hard drive in a 6 month old computer - I am not surprised at anything. I could tell you some tales about this sort of thing. Ark went through all kinds of crazy stuff in Europe in 1997, including a really bizarre and scary encounter in Budapest where he was suddenly and mysteriously invited to a conference by a new university funded by an American group... his passport, credit cards, everything, were lifted off of him... later returned under a pretext to get him out of his room, and we knew it was searched and that some kind of "tag" was put either in the passport or the credit card. He spent a week or two in Gottingen, and we are pretty positive that they were really working on him there because he could barely stay awake. He had to go into the basement of the building to work.
Well, as Gurdjieff and C's say: one man cannot escape, but a group can. The only problem is: finding the right group. With tricks and traps everywhere, it's a real grail quest!!! Don't worry about us. - Well, let me put it this way: we have a pretty good idea of the dangers thus far. And it sort of looks like some help may be showing up, but we have to always make the right choices at the different forks in the road (or maze, if you will) in order to receive this help. I deliberately gave VB all the choices and room to make them... pratically begged him to think long and carefully... but he didn't even understand what I meant. It was a huge disappointment. I think that when I realized that he didn't "get it," that a choice at that "fork" in the road would take him forever in the "other direction," I was just sort of stunned. Like you, I kept leaving the option open for him to "change his mind," or "come to his senses." Until recently, I never considered the possibility that he was a planned, deliberate, negative operative - even though ALL the signs were there. He just managed to overwhelm a person with his manipulations so that the signs were ignored. C's really hauled me out of there, though. But not without damage, for sure. So, don't feel so terribly alone. But do take extreme care. As C's say: knowledge protects. And if you have always in mind the hyperdimensional nature of many of the manipulations, but that they can and do work through just about anybody in the environment, it keeps you alert like the sufi spinning the wool thread... if he shifts his attention, he knows the thread will break. Okay? Laura From:
Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea> Had another idea: what if part of VB's "program" was to make it so that we would NEVER communicate? What if you have some pieces of the puzzle, and I have some pieces, and we are communicating now, and that makes it all the more imperative for them to bring on the "search and destroy" mission? Well, it's a thought, anyway. L From:
Goldenflower@cs.com The reason I brought up the case about the woman is because the woman's name is Debra Foreman and not Debra Lawlor. The difference may seem slight to you but it means mountains to me. I certainly do not think that BC was on the right track. And I think that Jessup was murdered, but not for the reason given. I agree with you about the Phil Ex and Montauk. Just myths created by the controllers. And you are right about AMET and the added junk by VB. It ruined the book. Oh well I guess I should have known. I am making a documentary soon on the the whole thing which will clear up the mess. Please don't tell anyone about this. Laura, you are an odd case so I am spending time with you because of the high strangeness of you. I hope that you are being discreet with our conversation. I am a very private person and do not like to say too much. Let me ask you an important question. Why should I believe that you are in contact with alien races from Cassipoea? I have been through so much that Sharron calls me 'the man who knows too much'. For some reason rich men offer to buy me any book I want. I have this never ending supply of info coming at me. Right now I have fifteen books waiting to be read. I also had a radio show where I interviewed and talked to some of the most 'important' people alive. In the end I have come to realize that there is a high level of manipulation going on. You seem to be aware of this manipulation so this begs the above question. With fake aliens in government-built flying saucers creating events, with channeled entities working for Set, with NASA spouting out all kinds of lies and BS, with mind control agencies manipulating world events how can you safely know that you are not being manipulated? That is why you must read the books of Rene Guenon. He was a student of Fulcanelli and he addresses these issues in a quiet and subtle way. There is a tradition, a great tradition from which all light emanates. It is only through truth and compassion that one can move closer to this tradition, for these are the qualities that make it a tradition. My reluctance with you is that I know that some of the things that have been said by the C's are wrong. Some things, big things, have also been missed. I really do wonder if this isn't an exteriorized unfoldment of your being that we are witnessing. Anbyway the question is not meant as an insult, I just cut to the quick these days and then I can find out what each person is really made of. Jay From:
Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea> On 21 Dec 2001, at 13:42, Goldenflower@... wrote: >
The reason I brought up the case about the woman is because the woman's
name is Could have been Foreman. The key is who was involved with Henry Lincoln and led him into RLC? That was a big part of the story... that this person was an excellent French speaker, was a professional translator, or at least was doing that kind of work for a number of folks, something about a divorce... and her first name WAS Debra. So, that is all I can verify without a paper back-up. O*** might remember the name better. He has a stupendous memory. L From:
Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea> This morning I thought about VB and the Debra Lawlor/Forman story and wondered if it was even true. Was he creating a drama to influence me? Was he telling it with the idea that I would tell someone else (though obviously not you)? Was he just gratuitously lying? Was he trying to get ego strokes? All kinds of things that I thought about based on what I have learned in retrospect about him... Re: Bill Cooper. One thing I learned by a close and careful study of the Morris Jessup case, they can and DO eliminate folks in an "obvious way" so as to convince people that the individual was on the "right track," when, in fact, they were not. This reinforces the belief in the "martyr syndrome," which raises the work of the individual to the status of holy writ, when in fact, it is also disinformation. In Jessup's case, the result was the myth of the Philadelphia experiment and the Montauk work... and the introduction of a certain paper of Einstein (mentioned in the first paragraph of the Allende letters) as being the "path to follow." Well, after long study of the matter, we have realized that it was the WRONG path, and that leads us to conclude that the entire deal was set up to reinforce the idea that it was the right one - after all, Jessup "died for it," now didn't he? There is a whole slew of stuff about the "matters" covered in AMET, etc, that C's have given that might light some light on certain "false clues" that were laid, and reinforced by the participation of VB. As for the death of Bill while dealing with this issue, it would naturally tend to make one think that it's the major banana... but the fact that this event occurred in sync with certain other events suggests that it is all a trap, including BC's death - designed to reinforce certain ideas that lead away from the "solution." Or so I think, based on past experience. These guys use double and triple reverse psychology in their manipulations. L From: Goldenflower@....Sat, 22 Dec 2001 12:42:30 EST Laura: There is so much to respond to in your email that I will need time to think about it. As I have told you I have asked VB to apologize. Three days have passed since my last entreaty. He wrote me this morning and told me he would do it. So I have convinced VB to write an apology. It has taken me a lot of time and the apology seems complete. I hope you take it in the spirit it was given in. If he is an agent this is the best way to get out of this. You must realize that if he is an agent you have exposed him, so you are in big trouble with whomever is the agency. If he is a Walter Weidner type, then this is what he deserves. You and I have much to discuss. It would be better to get VB behind us and proceed accordingly. You can always continue examining his 'career' but I think it would be better for all of us if we could leave this behind in such a public manner. It is not wise to anger those in power. I pray that you do the right thing and accept his apology. Thanks Jay From:
Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea> On 22 Dec 2001, at 12:42, Goldenflower@... wrote: >
I pray that you do the right thing and accept his apology. If he includes in his apology the fact that all his remarks about us, A*** A***, O*** E***, and the whole deal was a deliberate LIE, then an apology will be accepted. And he will have to agree for us to publish it on our site. VB will have to really, REALLY declare himself a pathological liar or controlled by aliens or evil ophanim or something to get out of this one. As it happens, VB already once wrote an apology, but is was all faked, and he began anew, via his evil little minions... So, I don't trust him any further than I can spit. L From: Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea> Have a look at VB's "apology." http://www.paymenow.net L From: Goldenflower@... That is really disgusting. I'm sorry. I had no idea. I told VB to take it down. I hope he does. Jay From: Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea> On 23 Dec 2001, at 22:03, Goldenflower@... wrote: >
That is really disgusting. I'm sorry. I had no idea. I told VB to take
it It's more disgusting than you can imagine. The announcement for this site was sent at the same time as he sent his "pseudo-apology." He also sent a post shortly after his "apology" post - to a public forum - asking us "are you really swindling people out of money to build an anti-gravity device?" and "Did you move the website to Europe to avoid an injunction in the Florida courts?" He fails to mention the fact that HE is the one who had the idea of a "device" that must be found or built and that this was one of his primary goals in using me to discover it... and we have it all on tape with witnesses. Well, it's all sordid, dirty and disgusting to even think about all his manipulations, machinations, and current sliming activity under the guise of trying to placate his "good friend and partner" Jay Weidner blah blah. He did not retract any of his lies, and managed to make it look like you and he are thick as thieves and he is just going along with your pleading that he apologize because WE are the evil blackmailers. He has made no mention of any of his other lies about anybody, he has not retracted his remarks about JR, and seems inclined to let the people on that list think that all of those things are true. He has, effectively, publicly reestablished your association with him as an ongoing thing, and he has done nothing to "cure" his status as a liar and agent. I think you will find that he is, indeed, an agent, and that he works based on instructions - whether "beamed" via some unconscious signal, or consciously received - that are formulated based on sophisticated profiles of you, me, whoever... and that everything he does is a baited trap. I think you can see how this one will snap shut. I sure do. Laura From: Goldenflower@....Mon, 24 Dec 2001 20:44:57 EST He just gets more interesting. The apology will not do him any good however as I am still pulling the book. I will have to sue him, for sure. There is no way out. I have not communicated with him other than to tell him to apologize. It is a welcome relief to have him out of my life. The funny thing is that he apologized for things that I did not know about. I don't watch TV so I have never seen the show on Discovery where he claimed sole credit for AMET. I hoped that the apology would placate everyone but it has gone to far for that now. This thing has a life of its own and now it is going to bite all of us in the ass. Only God knows what they will do next. I have to say that you must have said something in the C material to get them wanting you. Perhaps it is the way that you draw certain concepts together. In themselves it is not dangerous but taken as a whole it is heretical. The whole affair astounds me. The way that VB has been uncovered is amazing. I guess I should be happy that it happened. But I feel a little like the guy who is the last man in town to find out that his wife is going out on him. You know what they say about the best thing about being a con man? Everyone is so embarrased that they were conned that they don't prosecute the con artist. So he goes on his way. Your next move is going to have to put the kabosh to the entire affair somehow or you are going to be in serious trouble. You need to go where it hurts. Sincerely, Jay Weidner PS - VB is telling everyone that you are in France. Is that true? From:
Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea> On 24 Dec 2001, at 20:44, Goldenflower@... wrote: >
He just gets more interesting. The apology will not do him any good however
as Hi, Well, other than getting your copyright back, you won't accomplish anything, IMHO. Well, you might get the slime off of you as far as the public is concerned. And that really ought to be your main goal. As much distance as you can create might be a very good thing. In any such terms, the main significance of taking a stand is that it is a clear statement to the Universe as to which fork in the road you choose at this point of awareness. Our experience has been that these kinds of things are like "tests," and once we figure out what is going on, make our position clear, the "universe" responds by intensified contact and information flow. Well, I didn't know about that part of it either because we don't watch television. But it was noted by a number of other people, apparently, and they brought it up and from what I gather, the show has been run a couple of times and some of them may have taped it. In any event, after claiming that he never took any credit for AMET and always shared the credit, these people (who I don't even know, so that can't be laid at our door), brought up this item and it was going back and forth for a bit. You would really think that VB would cultivate a better memory for what he says and does on tape. For example, we have him on tape saying and doing some significantly bizarre things that anybody with any background in hypnosis or metaphysical practice will immediately recognize as 1) unethical hypnosis techniques and 2) seriously negative metaphysical and spiritual inclinations/tendencies - which manifested as loss of control of his professional demeanor, as well as outbursts of temper against the individual who was under hypnosis!!!! But, regarding his "apology," we are very familiar with this "style" of apologizing, and it is most certainly described in great detail in any number of abnormal psychology books, and even pop psychology books about folks that one should definitely avoid. The basic gist of it is that this particular style of apology says to the recipient: I am so sorry that YOU did ___ (fill in the blank.) At no point did he apologize for anything that HE did! For example, he writes: >
At the urging of my good friend, and former co-author, Jay Above, he apologizes for "erroneously stating" His choice of wording implies that he only misstated something. "Oops! I just said the wrong thing! I didn't really LIE! Never mind that I changed the story three times. All three times I was just 'erroneously stating'" And notice, he simply refuses to give up the writing of the book... which he undoubtedly NEVER did. By the way, do you know if he speaks fluent German? What he is saying is that he is not a liar. He implies he did not choose the best words. In the future, he will choose better words. In short, he's not sorry for lying, he's just sorry he got caught. He will lie better from now on. He then says: > This is about the most astonishing statement of all. You see, he is apologizing for YOUR "misapprehension." Did you get that? YOU are the one who screwed up here. Oh, indeed, it was an "oversight", but then he says that this was "completely out of my control." Again, he is sorry that his "oversight" he claims was "out of my control, caused anyone any undue distress." But of course, if you felt any distress because of an oversight that was out of his control, then naturally, you ought to feel as guilty as sin for feeling that distress! This is preposterous! How does one apologize for the misapprehension of another? Dictionary defines the word, misapprehension as: "a false impression or incorrect understanding especially of the nature of a situation or somebody's intentions" How and why does one apologize for something that is genuinely out of one's control? Someone else made a mistake he implies here. Again, there is no apology. He then says: > Here, he apologizes for "confusion caused" in YOU - once again, no lies, "confusion". Somebody else is "confused" and he did nothing wrong at all! His articles, he claims, "in no way meant or implied", here once again he claims he has not lied. He is astutely and cleverly implying that YOU were confused about what VB was "merely describing". He then offers to make changes that will reflect this more clearly to avoid future "misunderstandings" on your part because clearly your intellect is not sufficient to have grasped the great subtlety of his thoughts and intentions! Once again, he is not a liar. He has only been misunderstood by YOU. In short, you will ultimately be expected to apologize for misunderstanding, because the guilt hook is firmly imbedded in the above. He then adds, as an almost afterthought: > Please note the careful choice of his words in what we are expected to accept as a genuine apology from VB. He begins his short and pathetic little paragraph with a reminder that "I have said before". Poor VB. He has to keep apologizing over and over. But, again, he is only apologizing for feelings/emotions of others. The "mental anguish" felt by other people were the result of... his lies, his deceit, his behavior? No! Of course not! Their misguided "mental anguish" was a result of "his clumsy attempts to defend himself". Give me a break! There is absolutely nothing in what we are supposed to believe is an apology, that reflects an individual that has taken any responsibility for his lies and his deceit. What I did find here, is a very astute and clever individual that has worded this in a way that implies that OTHERS have: been erroneously distressed (i.e. it is their own fault) misinterpreted (their own fault) misapprehended (their own fault) confused (their own fault) misunderstood (their own fault) anguished mentally (their own fault) In short, a conscious agent would really "apologize" in order to do a "strategic retreat." This tells us that VB is NOT a conscious agent. You
say: As you see above, there WAS no apology. I did think about publishing it on the site with the above points elucidated, but I have better things to do just now.
Well, "they" are not a problem - the only people it will bite in the ass are those who are associated when VB takes the big plunge - and it is coming, I guarantee. In fact, the entire analysis of other similar situations is such that it seems that this is his true "role." To associate himself with legitimate researchers, and then be brought down in flames, so that his destruction destroys all he is associated with. Watch the movie "Arlington Road." > I really don't think that I am the target here. You are. You will see why I think so in the following: The fact seems to be that VB is a "sleeper" type agent, as in 4D-activated, rather than conscious cointelpro. It is cointelpro just the same, and can be recognized as such in its operation and pattern. But it is extremely unlikely that he is conscious in the way his "handler," T[eresa] Burns is. We pulled out all her emails from the beginning, and collected her emails to other members of the group, as well as their recollections of phone conversations with her, and arranged it all chronologically for analysis. It is pretty clear that she was planning a "sabotage" type operation against us from the beginning, and the plans began to "solidify" in late June when she began her maneuvers to get inside my house as a house guest. [These emails will be published as soon as they are formatted.] What was so extremely strange at first was the fact that, even though it was clear that she was planning sabotage against US, was the fact that she stuck around in our group for an additional 6 weeks, all the while digging up stuff about VB to constantly remind us that his background was "suspicious." Now, why would she do that? Why, if she was already setting HIM up for the "love bite," would she be hammering away at his background? It is almost as though she KNEW IN ADVANCE that his stuff would not check out and she was making absolutely certain that we would take a look at it! She actually began this process in late June. She really accelerated it in mid- July, even to the extent of calling several members of the group, and emailing them, with the intent of "spreading the suspicions" about VB. And yes, I have the paper trail. The strange thing is, we didn't even CARE! She had to do this for WEEKS before it even made an impression on anybody. She was responsible for all the checking that was done for the Zaca response. Nobody else did a thing about it because nobody else really cared whether he was a liar or not. Nobody cared whether he wrote any real books or stories or not. Nobody cared if he was a con artist - except insofar as they wanted their money back from the Zaca lake con job - but they were perfectly happy to just let him go along and live and let live. But T Burns was NOT content to let it rest. She kept bringing it up... like a terrier worrying a dead rat, she couldn't let anybody rest as long as they were not paying attention to her "discoveries" that VB wasn't what he presented himself to be. So, she gets everybody completely wound up on VB's fake background; she makes sure that everybody in the whole group is aware that there is something really stinky about him, and THEN she does this complete FLIP, all the while acting like a ditz head, and runs screaming to VB to back him up in attacking US!!! So, just think about that one little factor for a minute. This woman works like crazy, all the while pretending a love bite thing, to DESTROY VB... makes ALL the discoveries about him that open the door to the idea of investigating further... and the INSTANT that idea takes hold, she suddenly JUMPS to the other side to do the same thing!!!! So, it's pretty obvious now, in retrospect, that TB is the "handler" of this situation. She baited us, (not just me and Ark, but the whole group), and then switched sides to wind VB up like a mechanical attack dog... and voila! You have the set-up where VB is the guy taking the bomb into the building, and guess what? The building is YOU! BUT, there are a few folks who are really hostile and who have put certain actions into motion, and there are some surprises for VB down the road a short way - and the fact is, we don't have to do anything else at all. Here are a few things to think about: the aspect of VB that seems to fit the profile of cointelpro is the clean background, but that could also just be someone who read the underground rags "How to Disappear", "The Paper Trail", etc.---who had some personal reason to sanitize himself. However, even if that is the case, for whatever reason, he could have been manipulated to do that so as to create the present scenario where all his lies fall down around him, and he looks like a perfect fool. The part that doesn't fit a conscious agent, the part that sugggests he is being set-up, is his massive ego. His desire for status in the magickal community makes him a perfect tool for 4D STS gamers to play him and position him. Both VB & TB fit the profile of 4D STS candidates. Their Achilles heel is thinking that their actions will elevate them, for it is merely an STS pecking order... It's sort of like working for the mob. VB may actually believe that something external to him is going to confer his crown and hand him his scepter. Thus his quest for artifacts, initiations and mystical trivia (reminds me of Hitler...another tool for STS). VB and TB were just bodies to send in: The game is gladiators.
That should give you a clue that it was planned that way. And note the little explanation of the way it came about. Believe me, I have lots of better things to do than investigate a small time Troll like VB. If it hadn't been for the constant yammering of T. Burns, it would never even have happened. And while that is a good thing in one way, it raises serious questions about the probable plan... what the REAL motivation was - aside from just annoying the heck out of me.
Well, join the club. As I said, it would have been far worse had we allowed it to continue. Fortunately, C's played a big role in the revelation process and, once again, hauled our buns out of the fire.
Well, embarrassment for the self that takes precedence over concern for future victims is just ego - and false ego at that. Sure, it's embarrassing as hell to admit that you were conned. But from my perspective, admitting mistakes is just one of the fires that burns away ego. And admitting them and sharing what we learn from them, is one of the tests that we have to pass, I think. Do we care more for our pride, or Truth?
See above. We don't have to do anything from this point. The wheels are already in motion, it's just a matter of time. VB is proving to be such a programmed and mechanical individual, I think that the profile of him must be the main lynchpin on which the now obvious agenda is suspended. They know what he will do, and they will keep pushing his buttons. T. Burns, Storm Bear, Jojo Doyle, and all the rest of the gang are the "clappers" that keep him rolling - just like the guy in the movie "Arlington Road." It's a set-up. > Where did that come from and when did he say it? L From: Goldenflower@....Tue, 25 Dec 2001 17:18:12 EST When he wrote me the apology he said that you had escaped the feds by moving to France. He is telling everyone this I am sure. Jay From:
Goldenflower@... Laura: Whoa. Now I am getting very worried. Your analysis of the apology was very interesting. I have gained a new respect for you. This only lends credence to my idea that you are the C's. Okay. Fair enough. I can't win a chess game where I don't get to see what moves my opponent makes. I can't even hope to stay in the game against a force like that. So, in a sense, I am waiting to be destroyed. Right? Isn't that what you are saying? They have mounted some kind of intelligence operation designed to destroy me? I will have to write another open letter. Jay From:
Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea> On 25 Dec 2001, at 17:17, Goldenflower@... wrote: > Whoa. Now I am getting very worried. Well, it damn sure is time to think and "head it off at the pass." > In the future. Still just learning to walk right now. My husband agrees with you. > Well, I'm thinking and studying the matter at odd moments and I have come to some ideas that I will bounce off of you. You have had far more personal contact with VB than I have, have spent more time in his physical presence. I have had to base my thinking mostly on a long series of emails, a dozen or so long phone conversations, and two personal visits - one 4 days, the other 2 days. Here are some observations and tentative ideas that you may wish to comment on: VB seems to be entirely convinced that he is "chosen" to accomplish some great task. As I understand it, based on a few remarks, some of his writings, and remarks he has made to others who have shared them with me, this goal is to "trigger the apocalypse" via the Ophanic "calls." He may or may not REALLY believe that he is the reincarnation of John Dee, but he has said it on a number of occasions, and he has alluded to it on his website. Curiously, this is something that Aliester Crowley also believed. He justifies the obvious "evil position" by picturing himself as a sort of Jesus in a rage cleansing the temple and saving the world. He claims in some of his writings, that he has either really experienced, has convinced himself that he has experienced, or is outright lying about such experience, contact with some sort of "inner voice" that guides him. He acts based on the dictates of this "inner voice" or "inner volition" that does not proceed from thinking. This "inner voice" seems only to come during, or as a result of "ritual" group activities. These following ideas are collected from a book I recently read about the psychological profile of an infamous person. I have modified them to modern usage and this specific situation, and I'll let you guess who the original subject is: Watching him interact with an "audience," such as a group of people in an internet forum, it is clear that he functions more or less as an "amplifier" of the secret desires, least permissible instincts, the sufferings, personal revolts, and all the repressed and suppressed shadow sides of other people, giving it voice and permission to exist, as well as justification. His written passages are not particularly well structured, and some of it is actually painful to read, but it seems that he has the ability to sense what people want him to give them permission to do and be, and he is then able to manipulate these themes so as to arouse their emotions. Via these writings, which are almost "virtual speeches," he is able to numb the critical faculties of his readers to the point where they are willing to believe anything he says. He flatters and cajoles, builds up straw men and knocks them down, and he always manages to say what the majority of his audience is secretly thinking but cannot verbalize because they are dark thoughts, unacceptable in rational and/or scholarly circles. Of course, he does all of this under the guise of "daring to speak the truth and to defy the authorities and oppressors of the true human spirit!" He appeals to the most primitive and basest instincts and inclinations, and cloaks them with nobility and the image of being high ideals, and is thus able to justify all actions as the means to the attainment of these ideal goals. He can come across as so sincere and convincing, and does the "we're hermanos" act so well, that his readers or listeners are ready to believe anything about him that HE says, because they WANT to, even if the facts indicate the exact opposite. This emotional bond he is able to create in his audience is not easily dissolved, and it seems to rob people of their critical functions. It cannot be denied that he has extraordinary abilities where the psychology of the average person is concerned. He knows how to apply group psychology, and he appeals mostly to women, or to the feminine parts of men. He has a strange memory. He seems to be able to pull up facts and figures about a narrow range of topics without the slightest hesitation and uses this faculty to give an approximation of infallibility. His rules seem to be: never let people cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternative views; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequenty enough people will sooner or later believe it. He does not think things through in a normal way. (This is the most difficult item for people who actually DO think). His mental processes seem to operate in reverse. Instead of studying a problem, he avoids it until his "voice" speaks to him. Once he has the "solution," he begins to search for facts that support it. In other words, his thought processes begin with emotion, and move to selecting facts that he "likes." It is this characteristic that makes it difficult to predict his actions. He is, truly, an "alien reaction machine." The one thing that he seems to be unable to tolerate is ridicule or humiliation. When he faces opposition that is not ameliorated by any support, he breaks down and writes in the tones of a vaudeville performer. Melodrama and all... He does not seem to be able to carry on a normal conversation. He talks "at" a person, not "to" them. He is unable to engage in a "give and take" exchange. He is either preaching, or silent and listening to other people talk. While he listens to others, he absorbs data and later uses it as his own, never giving credit to where he got it. He is a "poseur." He remembers things he has heard and, just as he has a talent for mimicry, he has a talent for repeating things he has heard in such a way that the listener is led to believe that they are his own, that he is very clever - even a genius. His memory is oddly selective. While he has a prodigious memory for accumulating facts and figures and curious "scholarly" items, phrases and mimicked intellect, he does not seem to be able to remember when he uses one bit of information to manipulate one person one day, and uses the same info in another way or context another day. There is an air that follows him that reeks of unnatural sexuality, like an evil emanation. Nothing in his environment is straightforward. Surreptitious relationships, substitutes, symbols, false sentiments, secret lusts - the very air around him is unnatural. Nothing is genuine, nothing is open, natural or clean. Nevertheless, others who have these proclivities seem to form a deep allegience to him and are obviously ready to forgive or ignore his shortcomings. Are they oblivious to these things, or are they merely attached because he is the amplifier of the same things within them?
Well, again, this has to be thought through and I am just presenting the evidence as I see it. I can't see any other conclusion. I mean, why in the name of heaven did that woman [Teresa Burns] make damn sure that we were going to investigate VB and expose him before she went over to heat the fire on the other side so that he would start attacking us so that we would be more or less forced to expose him in self defense? 1) She plants ALL the seeds about his shady background. Well, hell... who gives a hoot? 2) She jumps on his side and starts acting like a Greek chorus to get him to provoke us to have to act in defense - after already giving us the keys to do that. Doesn't that seem totally bizarre???? And the only thing that can come out of that set-up is that VB comes crashing... and since we were already out of his loop, had declared ourselves publicly so that any slime we uncovered about him was not "our" slime too... (see how it would have been if we had been more deeply involved, and somebody ELSE did the big expose???) The ONE and ONLY thing that is NOT a part of the plan was that we - that is you and me and Ark - would EVER exchange info on the subject. It had already been set up that we would hate each other's guts and that was not considered to be a risk factor. So, in a sense, VB's "apology" that claims you as his "good friend," and his efforts to suggest that you have succumbed to "blackmail" are just designed to keep you in the "corral," so to speak. Now, this is all very interesting in light of a chapter I wrote recently about Fulcanelli and Schwaller de Lubicz for my book... there is a very, VERY subtle game afoot here, and the "hidden masters," as you call them... I don't know if I even have a name for them - are manifesting THROUGH US in a very real sense. We are all like playing pieces on the board, and it is not "against flesh and blood we fight, but against princpalities, powers, etc" in other realms (Eph. 6:12) So, this is not just a little "human dispute" where kissing and making up is the desired objective. It is an archetypal drama, and you are a piece on the board that they are trying to capture. And they have tried to set me, as another piece on the board, in a position that enables this capture. But, this game is two way. Not only are we moved about, but our guy at higher levels gets feedback from us, and the game adjusts accordingly. If our "player" can receive enough data through us to realize and act, the game will have a different outcome.
It is probably a good idea. We have learned to NEVER communicate with him or any of that gang one-on-one or privately. Only in public where there is a clear and evident paper trail, witnesses, etc. He has already demonstrated that he can and does "alter emails," (with the help of his computer savvy friends who can set these things up somehow, and I know somebody who told me how it's done, but I have forgotten the details). The hard thing for me to remember is this rule to never, ever, engage one on one because it is not engaging with a normal human being. It is a machine, and there is a cunning that operates that machine, and the instant my ego thinks it can out-maneuver that contractile black-hole consciousness, well, you know what pride goes before! As to us moving to France to avoid the courts? Another twist based on the assumption that you will not communicate with us. What courts? VB doesn't have the money to file suit, and he wouldn't because he knows that the instant he does, we file for discovery and he's dead meat. He has to excuse the fact that he made a big hullabaloo about sueing us, found out he didn't have a leg to stand on, (aside from not having the bux), and to save face for why he hasn't, he is spreading more of his stupid lies. The guy simply can NOT speak the truth about ANY thing. Damnedest thing I ever saw! In the end, the only way out is knowledge protects. And we learned about this in a minor sort of situation a few years ago. When you see what the situation is, what the risks are, the one and ONLY thing to do is to make your position clear and TELL as many people as you can what the deal is so that when, and if, they are contacted and some lie is told to them, they will be prepared with the knowledge of the truth of the situation and will therefore be unlikely to believe evil of you. There is one danger I can see: IF there is one shred of truth about the connection between Drunvalo and VB, and Holt and VB, and ANY of that stuff, (and there are hints in VB's writings, as well as evidence of two witnesses that there is a connection) and he decides to play dirty, you could be the one accused of suggesting that JR was involved in the JBR case. And I hope you see by this time that truth, or even likelihood of truth, plays NO part in the maneuvers of these people. The bigger the lie, the more likely they are to tell it when it suits their purposes. So, again, the only effective preventative, or counter-measure is TRUTH, and lots of it - told to as many people as will listen. And if you have any favors out, call them in. The only thing they fear is to be ridiculed. L From: Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea> Hi, I woke up this morning with a few more thoughts that I knew I ought to express at this point. Regarding our analyses and experiences with VB, which are being shared as a matter of record, and for purposes of comparison and further gaining of knowledge, please don't make any decisions or take any actions based on any of it unless it relates to your own experiences and projections of possibilities. Just because I am seeing a certain pattern, does not mean it is the only one. And if you can add anything to it and suggest another, better idea, that is helpful and appreciated. There may be data of which I am unaware that can change the entire picture. Re: Bill Cooper. As in so many other cases of this kind, he was vulnerable because he had a major shoestring left dangling and tripped over it. His tax situation was the doorway through which he was gotten to. I am reminded of the saying: render unto Caesar, etc... which he forgot. 4 D forces generally act through 3 D agents, and it is in attention to the details of our lives that we learn what it is to be a real Sufi who never takes his eyes away from the spinning thread. My point is: [please don't get into a state of imagining all kinds of dreadful outcomes as a result of the VB situation. Realistically, you know better than we do your own situation, risks, liabilities, and "portals of attack." So, again, please just take the information we have shared for what it is: data that we have collected via our experiences, and from other people's experiences, etc. You didn't ask for advice, and I hope that anything I said didn't come across as suggesting to you what you ought to do without you asking. In short, if you are comfortable with the status quo, it will not affect our regard for you. Ark does have a question for you: do you know in what state Aethyrea books is incorporated? Laura From: Goldenflower@....Wed, 26 Dec 2001 13:37:52 EST I appreciate your letter. I certainly do not want to leave this in a status quo situation. That is the last thing I want. I need to something publiclly and I need to sue him for copyright. Again I am astounded. I thought Aeytheria was in NC. I do not know where it is Inc or if it is at all. Frankly after recieving your letter I have done a lengthy, and much needed, review of my past with VB ; there is no other conclusion that one can make except that he is an agent of something. When JR and I hooked up it must have sent a danger signal to someone. Soon enough VB was involved. He has ransacked my entire work and I was too blind to see it. As Sharron said to me last night 'there is no way out except to look like a complete fool'. Indeed she is right and that was the entire point of VB's operation. I finally get it. So he has been my handler all the time. Brilliant. I never suspected him. He destroyed both Stan Tenen and Dan Winter. I know how he did it and now I know why. And now I am next. What can I say? Thanks for the help. Jay From:
Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea> On 26 Dec 2001, at 13:37, Goldenflower@... wrote: >
I appreciate your letter. I certainly do not want to leave this in a
status quo Hi, Well, we had it checked out via a P.I., and he couldn't find it. So, Ark and I and a couple other researchers began combing through the corporation databases of all the states, and even though we haven't finished this, we have done a big chunk of them. Ark asked VB twice where he was incorporated, and he refused to answer, going on the attack each time with more lies. Just to be sure, I called the county clerk in Montgomery county, NC, and there is NO business listed to either of them (VB or Darlene) in that county. They aren't paying taxes on the books, and that's a big trap that you need to be aware of. There may be very little money involved at present, but keep eyes open on this one. We are leaving open the possibility that he COULD have his corporation registered in SOME state that we have not yet checked, but there are only a few left, and it isn't looking very likely. I mean why would he register it in Kansas or Wyoming??? > There is probably a lot of reviewing you can do regarding various players, timelines, coincidence of events with the entry of different people onto the stage, and so forth. This is what we have been looking at, and it sure does look like a real team effort. > Well, cheer up. We had to face that. There we were, we had been manipulated to agree to a conference, we had announced and avertised it, nearly our entire group was all enthused about getting to meet us and were paying their money up front, and then all the little side pieces began to be revealed, and damned if we weren't between a rock and a hard place. I had a deep, distressing foreboding that we MUST not do it, though I wasn't even sure at that point why that was so strong. Yes, there were all the "surface" reasons, but that didn't quite fit the really awful sensation of something that was so wrong that I could not even conceive of it. Well, of course, I could have "broken a leg," or gotten sick or something at the last minute. But that would have been a lie. And when you base your life and work on searching for truth, how can you do something like that? As much as it was going to be humiliating to say to our group that we had made a big mistake, and we now needed to rectify it, we knew we had to do it. As for the PUBLIC part of it, we just figured that VB would leave it private, would get a new speaker, offer refunds to those who wanted them (but if he was on the level, he would have tried to attract somebody so that nobody wanted to cancel!). But for some crazy and awful reason, that is NOT what he did! He started this crazy manipulation, sending a mass mailing around to people telling them that we were the ONLY item on the conference schedule, that everyone else had cancelled, that if people wanted their money back, that they needed to ask us. Well, that was so shocking a maneuver that we were almost unable to even believe it. Of course NOW it all makes sense with the "agent of destruction" factor, the psychopathic manipulations, the cointelpro deal going on. It was all a fabric of lies and more lies. But, the point at this point is: looking like a fool was preferable to telling a lie, consorting with liars, or covering up the lies of a liar. And, surprisingly, so many, many people wrote to us and said "thank you! thank you for standing up for what is right, for not treating the public like dummies, for showing integrity," and all that. I was truly surprised. We didn't get a single letter from anyone saying "what's the matter with you people? " Anyway, I am just trying to say that there is a very positive side to doing something that is very difficult for the ego to swallow. But then, being always and absolutely "right," and never looking "foolish" is what VB is all about - no matter how many lies he has to tell to maintain the illusion. Tell Sharron that it is like the difference between a man who is a real man, and a man who is a straw man. VB would never admit to being wrong or deceived. Does she think a lot of him??? > It kinda sorta looks pretty much that way unless there is something about all of it that you know that I don't know. The good thing about it is: once you learn this program, you can spot it next time, even at more subtle levels. Even at this point, I don't think I would trade the experience for what I have learned from it and what I can now share with others in similar situations. The one thing that I have learned about VB and his gang: they NEVER tell the truth. It's either twisted all out of recognition, or is a projection of what is inside them, which is totally gross and deformed. I kept getting taken in by his "poor me" tactics until I discovered several times over again that each "poor me" email was another bit of bait to engage me and start trying to drain my energy and screw with my thinking. In a sense, it has been like dealing with demonic presences during exorcism. Rule is: NEVER answer a question that they ask you because it is ALWAYS a trick to divert your attention. Anything and everything that comes from them is a manipulation, and if you give in response to a manipulation, you have acceded to their control at some level. And they will cry and whine and act pathetic as all get out to get something from you - a concession of any sort... and when you give it, then they have achieved a small measure of control over you. And it's a funny spiritual law that when you have acceded this control, even if consciously unaware, they become entitled to drain your force. And once that process begins, you lose your clarity of mind, and they are further enabled to take more energy, and round it goes. Eventually, they end up with total control over what you think or believe, and you are the robot and they are pushing the buttons. Well, whatever you decide to do, if you need it published on the net, we have the site back up and running. Cheer up! Heck, with your own cointelpro agents, it gives you cachet! You must be onto something!!! Approach it from that angle and it looks altogether different! Laura From: Goldenflower@... First off Sharron hates VB. She has for 2 years now. I appreciate your support and I am going to write a careful letter. I would like to use your analysis of the apology. It was brilliant. However I think it would be more dramatic if I said it without giving you the credit. You tell me. The reason, by the way, that I have never talked openly about JR and VB is because I have not seen any good evidence of it. This is not to say I don't believe you. You know too much about it to not have been lied to by VB. I really need to see good evidence so I can pass it on to JR. With no corporation there is no one to sue but VB. He isn't smart enough to have an off shore so I wonder what gives. It only costs a couple hundred bucks to incorporate so why not do it? I have a feeling that the answer to many things that worry us is in this fact. Where he is incorporated and if he is incorporated will tell us everything. In the contract that he sent me, but I did not sign, it says that Aeytheria is an LLC in NC. This is very important because it will indicate what trail he is leaving behind. My head is reeling from all of this. More will come soon. Jay From: Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea> On 26 Dec 2001, at 20:47, Goldenflower@... wrote: > First off Sharron hates VB. She has for 2 years now. Well, my hat's off to her. I was sure fooled. > Do it your way, no credit needed. Networking works. > Yes. I agree. The only thing that worries me about it is "who else is he saying it to?" And all I have is a couple of emails and several repeated conversations. Sometimes I even wonder if JR is not, in some sense, part of the "prey" of this operation. IF - and that's a big if - it is true that Drunvalo AND VB AND Holt (who I only know about by hearsay) are telling people that JR and Drunvalo are channeling Satan together - which, as I understand it, Drunvalo said directly to Stan Tenen, then what are they up to? What kind of trap are they laying for the guy? I guess we will find out eventually. We also wonder about the strange relationship between VB and Storm B Williams who was going to run for president on the "pagan platform" via the independent party. What's up with that? As far as we can see, they are all just peons in some operation - but it makes you wonder who is behind it all.
I also wonder if his overweening ego, thinking that no one will EVER think about questioning him, because he's so "good" at what he does, is the reason for these things. Again, that would suggest that he is an unconscious agent rather than conscious, though I often think that there are some parts of what he does, he does as a conscious agent and other things - involving his own destruction - are totally unconscious. Again, like the guy in Arlington Road. He thinks he is doing one thing, and he is really doing exactly what they want him to do in another direction. > I know. It is (was?) on his website. It was on the book ads, and everything. And those poor guys whose books he has handled don't even know it either. Can't remember their names. > Well, see above. As far as we have been able to determine, he's clean as a whistle - owns nothing at all. I don't even think Darlene owns anything. We also checked Storm Bear. He doesn't own anything either, but he does have an LLC in NC called "downslam" for selling napster type stuff. They all seem to be renters with NO public records at all. Not even marriage licenses or anything. No suits, no judgments, no real estate, no licenses, no businesses, nothing. Strangest thing I've ever seen. > Well, I just went and re-read the "psychopath page" to remind myself of what we are dealing with here. It helps to make a list and go over it every day. We are so programmed to give the benefit of the doubt and turn the other cheek that it is a hard thing to "see the unseen" and keep it in view with only these physical eyes, and these distorted views we grow up with. I think that when VB realizes that you mean business, he will show himself to you. As long as he thinks he can manipulate, he will pull his punches... But, in a way that is also a relief because then one is free of the nagging doubt as to whether or not he is really crazy. One is then certain of it. Best to you both, Laura From: Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea> Have a look here: http://www.alternativeapproaches.com/magick/change/change2.htm Where VB writes:
Is this true? (I'm filling in some blanks in my timeline in Noah...) I noted that this book was mentioned in AMET, so I wondered if anyone else had said anything about it, so did a search on the net and found the above. I have the idea that if it was all about Kaballah, it wasn't by Fulcanelli. L From: Goldenflower@... L You are making me really regret talking to VB. I had no idea he wrote this. Well that is the limit of his knowledge. He does make it sound as if he has read the book. Actually the book was edited by A (Omega) R. No it was not written by Fulcanelli but by one of his students. It is a book that is a search for the hidden tradition behind all ancient concepts of reality. It brilliantly compares many ancient concepts and reveals what makes them whole. It is a very dangerous book so please be discreet. The book reveals the workings of the light masters. I showed it to B. Donvez who translated 'Dwellings'. After much pondering she reported that the book was too difficult for her to translate. Deborah Foreman, who came to visit VB in NC, wanted a copy and that is why she went there. I think she was hoping for a peek. Of course he doesn't have a copy so he made up a bunch of hooey about how he had to protect the truth from the likes of her. She is a good translator but doesn't have the depth needed either. If B. Donvez couldn't do it than this is not going to be easy. I have a rudimentary knowledge of esoteric French and have hacked my way through the underbrush but it is so thick that it is astonishing. What you must understand is that there is another society on this planet. They are completely secret. They live apart from us. They rule the psychic landscape of the planet. They hide from those that think they are in control. They publish books among themselves. These books are impossible to get unless one knows where to look. I called all of the esoteric bookstores on Earth (in 1998) and no one had heard of the book. Schwaller De Lubicz's library was completely taken by this society. They allow intiates inside very rarely but they help those of us who seek. They permit wonderous miracles and impossible openings. AON should never have gotten into my hands. It would have stayed that way until VB revealed to the world that JR aquired a copy. Now JR is in serious trouble. Now that VB has told everyone that I have a copy - I am in serious trouble. This entire affair has, at its heart, this book. There are other books that no one has ever heard of also. I have glimpsed them and they reveal the final secrets of the human experience. These are very real secrets that transmute human matter and turn it into light. VB, in his ego lust, must have told you the secret. He got it from me (yes, I am the fool). So I know that he told you. If VB did not , at least, intimate the great secret to you then that can only mean that he is definately an agent. So please tell me honestly, did VB tell you the secret? This society is more powerful than the illuminati. They are permitting the present events to occur because time itself is coming to an end. All of us will be able to be part of the great transmutation at the end of time. That is what the Cross at Hendaye is all about. There is no doubt about any of this and all of the hooey from Z. Sitchen and the rest about orbit of a planet may well be true but it isn't very important. This is the real thing and all of the rest is a theatrical show designed to make you look the other way. Aliens, entities, ghosts, angels are insignificant compared to the truth. And, I have to say, the C's have not told you the about the secret. So I need to know if he told you the great secret. The funny thing about this is that, even though I foolishly told him the secret, he may not understand it. The secret protects itself in truly amazing ways. Jay From: Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea> On 27 Dec 2001, at 21:31, Goldenflower@... wrote: >
You are making me really regret talking to VB. I had no idea he wrote
this. Hi, Well, I was putzing through Dwellings which has a great secret right there in front of the face, but I will save it for later. I expect we can discuss Fulcanelli when all is "safer," I should say. You see, Fulcanelli (via C's) have given me a few hints and tonight, as I was patiently constructing this timeline, I noticed something that I never noticed before.
Well, in a sense, that is what Noah is. It has grown to over 600 pages because everything connects to everything else, and I have had to write three chapters just to get to the point where I can talk about Fulcanelli's substitution of the name of Perseus for Theseus - which was no mistake. > Okay. But after all that had gone before, when I pulled AMET out to check the comments on Fulcanelli again, I noted that this was mentioned there and I didn't remember it before. But then, that is probably because I read it before all this stuff about this book was said anyway. > Well, that's bizarre. He said she let drop that she was translating a copy and he went on and on about who else might have one. But heck! Do we believe a word he says anyway? But still.... may be a seed of truth there unless you know for sure something different. Of
course he doesn't have a copy so he made up a bunch of hooey Well, we have our French translator M***, but she might not think she could handle it either. She's good and discreet and totally devoted. When she heard the deal about VB, she instantly said she would never do any work for him (he was trying to get her in his corral.) The best I could think of would be to ask O*** for advice on that. He was born in F***, spent his youth in school in France, speaks several languages fluently, including French, is an avid reader of esoteric literature - usually in the original language - with an incredible vocabulary in all languages (he knows English words that I don't know!)... he might know the right person. But, leave that for now. It's just an idea, and the main thing I can say about it is that if O*** found somebody, or was willing to work on it with Micheline... > I know that. C's told us about it, but have said that until the time is right we can't know any further details... they just call them "The quorum." They Know that. C's told us. They live apart from us. Yup. Same. >They
rule the psychic Yup. Ditto. They hide from those that think they are in control. Apparently. C's have definitely implied that and given many hints about things yet to come. And it's pretty clear that these are the guys who "occluded" me from those black hats when I was four and they tried to get me. You really ought to read my autobiography for some of these strange details. I learned that, only when I was a child, they could protect me. I remember them. But when I got older, I had to go through the fire and choose on my own, they could not interfere... well, except by some "inspiration" but very slight. So, I know about them, and I feel their presence. >
They publish books among themselves. These books are impossible to get
unless I'm not too sure that they are all that interested in Schwaller. But we can save that for another time. If they took it, it wasn't because of him, but because of things in there. > Well, heck, I know that. Again, you really ought to read my autobiography. It's on the site, but is also being published in book form. >AON
should never have gotten Well, my opinion is that if JR is a positive guy, and if you are, and I know about me and Ark, and now we know about VB and his gang and whoever else is behind them, we probably ought to start sharing some data about the black hats and what we have figured out for the sake of safety. One thing I have learned is that when you have to make a choice, they arrange it so that the only "weight" to the choice is the weight of a feather... an internal inclination. Only in this way are you proved for what you really are. > Indeed. > I don't know. I remember him pumping me for info, and jumping up and down and saying "that's it! You got it!" on a number of things, but for me, I would have no way of knowing any single isolated thing because C's have just told me so much, or have pointed me to where I can find it. >He
got it from me (yes, I Well, don't be hard on yourself. We feel pretty dorky at the moment too... >So
I know that he told you. If VB did not , at least, intimate Geez Jay! How can I know?! I know the secret of transmutation, but I know that the secret that *I* know is deeper and more reliable than anything he ever said. I have experienced what is called the "first initiation." I have experienced the "crossover" and opening of the doorway into the dimension of light. I have seen it, I have moved in it, and I have bilocated from it with witnesses. I have manifested. But I have no control over it yet. So it is just bleedthrough. I have very strange instructions from C's that no one reading the transcripts can understand but me because the C's answer my mental questions also... But is it the secret you are talking about? I don't know. I don't remember him ever sitting down and saying: "here, this is the big one, blah blah...." So maybe I don't know this item. I know what's going to happen, and tonight, Fulcanelli even told me when... > Yes. C's have said that. >All
of us will Yup. C's have said that. >That
is what C's have said that. In fact, here is exactly what they said: Q:
(L) Could you comment on the source of this book: "Three >This
is the real thing and all of the rest is Have you read all the material? > Well, without even a clue, I have no idea. There is so much, and I think I have some ideas about some major stuff. I even begin to wonder if VB didn't completely misrepresent C's to you also... L From: Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea> On 27 Dec 2001, at 21:31, Goldenflower@... wrote: > You are making me really regret talking to VB. I had no idea he wrote this. Oh, I forgot. I guess I am sorry in a way that I have been a sort of bearer of bad news about VB. But, as C's say, knowledge protects. Maybe someday you won't be mad at us for telling and will be glad about it because I think that you are actually in a lot better position to assess what you need to do by knowing just how much damage he may be doing by spreading stuff around. I didn't know that he wasn't supposed to be saying the above. I just sort of stumbled on it by accident. I don't know what can be done about it. Along with everything else he is doing, I just am sort of baffled as to what to do. And he has his little team of elves and his Dominatrix handler, Terri Burns. Thing is, we don't have a lot of time left... and they are wasting a lot of it, and there is work to be done. L From: Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea> On 27 Dec 2001, at 22:54, Goldenflower@... wrote: >
He does make it sound as if he has Was he ever, EVER, in any position whatsoever that, by stealth, he could have made a copy? Because I now believe that he would do just about anything illegal, immoral and slimey. So, if he was ever in your house, and the book was there, and he had time to observe your habits, or to figure out how to get to it and get a copy, he would have done it. I even think that is why he was working to get Micheline, to translate it... or so he suggested. But that was when I was convinced that you had stolen it and passed it to him (because that is what he said.) L From: Goldenflower@... L No, he did not get a copy. Everything he said in that article, he recieved from me. He did glimpse it once but that is all. He wrote what I told him in an ingenius way. The book is substantial. Probably 600 pages of dense text. There is a lot of algebra and geometry. The secret has to do with how one transforms into light. But, now that I am remembering, VB kept arguing with me. He wanted the secret to be something that you took, like a pill or a plant, or something. I can prove that this is part of the lore of the counterfeit tradition. I got so frustrated, one time on the phone, that I blurted it out to him. He seemed like he understood. But now that I think about it, he might have thought, in his arrogance, that, since he didn't think it up, it wasn't right. But I am right. Have you read 'Pillar of Celestial Fire'? It isn't great but it is an indication of what kind of motion is occurring. Several people, or groups, are on to the secret. The masters have decided to let it out. But it must be done in the right way because it is so dangerous. The Illuminati (not much light) know that if the secret gets out, they are doomed. They have stuffed it for 1700 years. But the time draws near. The quality of light dictates the quality of time. Look out your window. The quality of light is changing. What do you think stained glass windows are meant to achieve? Is it just for beauty's sake? Look again and think. The main reason I am speaking to you is because you have some influence. If you are responsible, and truly discreet, you would never rush any of this to print. This is the real thing. A friend of mine has said to me that we are playing a game, and if one of us falls, there are always five guys, sitting on the bench, waiting to take our place. That's what this is like. I have decided to play the game very carefully. Even in this I have been betrayed. If you knew the secret, if you knew that it would transform everything in an instant, what would you do? The masters are releasing it at the end of time. It is the end of time because they are releasing it. This is what the story of Jesus is really about. This is what is meant by a second coming. There will be a time when there is a second coming of the secret knowledge. When this is released, it will cause the apocalypse. It begs the question: what would you do, with your influence, if you knew the secret? And to test the water even further - why don't you ask the Cs: What is the great secret of human transformation that has been hidden for many centuries? I look forward to your answers. J From: Laura Knight-Jadczyk laura@cassiopaea> On 28 Dec 2001, at 9:22, Goldenflower@... wrote: >
L Well, that answers that. I just didn't know how much you may or may not have told him and was trying to hypothesize a scenario where he might have gotten the info. > Not a surprise. > Yes. He kept insisting that the "crystallization" of the pineal gland was the "sacred almond" deal, and that this could be accelerated with drugs or chemicals. I already knew that the crystallization of the pineal is associated with severe alzheimer's and is not a desirable state at all. And yes, he wanted a drug or a magic pill. But the drug element is a corruption. C's keep saying that using chemicals - even if they are "natural plants" - to "elevate" consciousness is a "self-violation." Part of the Wave series is devoted to brain chemistry and how the "vessel" is prepared to receive the light. Because, in the end, that is what happens. We prepare the vessel, but only to "receive." Those who do it the false way, who manipulate the forces, etc, end up with an altogether different "activation." >
I can prove that this is part Probably. He argued with me endlessly over the value of drugs and kabbalistic rituals. I realized finally that I was actually dealing with a closed mind that had a pre-formed assumption or "wisful thinking" that was so strong that nothing could penetrate it. > No. Who is the author? > Yup. > Nearer than people think. > Yes. "Exhaustion of physical resources." Look
out your window. The Yup. >What
do you think stained glass windows are meant Of course. > And thankfully, C's talk about it in allusion so that even those who read the transcripts, if they don't have the background info, it means nothing to them. >
This is the real thing. A friend of mine has said to me that we are playing
a I believe that too. There is no reason for ego and for anyone to think that they are indispensible. God can raise up servants from stones, as the saying goes. >That's
what this is like. I have decided to play Well, join the club. But C's have pointed out that this is the reason for the Grail stories. You know, the haunted forest, the seductress, the dragons, the many delusions and illusions that must be dealt with... all are part of the action for a reason. They represent real things, though they manifest in our modern times in different "outward" expressions. If we train ourselves to see the unseen, then we can identify the archetypes. VB is certainly one of them, though I doubt that he is a terribly important one in the grand scheme of things. But he is certainly a good lesson about how things can seem to be one way in the outward expression, and only the small clues give an indication of what lies behind the illusion. C's kept inisisting that he was a "mirage," that I needed to look in the mirror and see what was "real." Well, I did and I saw all of his "baggage." I was so puzzled because I had a certain conscious mind image of him and it just didn't make any sense. It was only after the investigation, after he was unmasked, that I realized what a great lesson they were teaching me. And, geez, we have been careful too! Or at least we THOUGHT we were being very careful. We have learned a big one here. VB sure did insinuate himself very carefully, and got very close - and it could have been worse. > Well, I know that. And I even know how it will do it. And that it will, indeed do it "in an instant," and all of that. That is the whole theme of the C's and the "Wave." And it has to do with light from other realms that will be transduced into this realm when this "collapse of the gravity wave" occurs, and that this "Wave" is cyclical, and emanates from the core of existence/creation, and that it will affect everyone and everything differently depending upon their "state" at the moment it occurs... that's what Noah is all about. >The
masters are releasing it at the end of time. It Well, I guess that is what I am doing here in writing Noah. Though until you spelled it out from that perspective, I didn't realize it. I have been calling it "Cosmic Quantum Metamorphosis" since the vision was given back in 1985. It has been the driving idea - this metamorphosis - behind everything - it was the driving force behind my "quest for the Ark." It was the driving force behind Ark's quest for "the one," and it all coalesced in C's guidance to bring it about. >
It begs the question: what would you do, with your influence, if you knew
the Well, I guess I do know the secret, though I know it a different way, and came to it from a different path. What would I do? I am writing this book that everybody on the planet seems to want to get away from me, or beat me down so that I cannot finish it, or make me so discouraged that I give up in despair. > Q: Our little egroup discussion list is growing. Everyone is talking about the Wave: what does it mean, what is it, when is it coming, how are we going to be able to tell, and so on. I have been collecting the material and getting it in shape. I have been learning a lot as I go along as well. It isn't finished, but as I go along, I do have some questions. We would like to have a little bit of a clue about the progress of the wave. I would also like to know if this Wave is sort of like the recompiling of a computer program, with the universe as the program? What is the progress, and is it going the recompile the program of our universe? A: So many questions rolled up into one. But, one way it might go is that all of a sudden, everything that ever was is new, everything that IS is new, and everything that will be is new. Programs change, oh we suppose, what an awesome event indeed! Q: Is it important for the information about the potential making new of everything and the awareness of the state of the planet as it is now, or the state of the universe, be shared and spread so that as many people as possible will be aware at the point of the arrival of the wave so that it makes it more likely that beneficial changes will occur, that the universe will change in a positive way? Or is that simply not even important. It will change the way it is going to change no matter what anybody does? A: Closer to 2nd criterion.
Continue with the Weidner Correspondence See also: Vincent Bridges Tells His Own Story Vincent Bridges AKA "Dr. Strange" Vincent Bridges AKA "Dr. Strange" Is Truth Defamatory?The COINTELPRO Files: Vincent Bridges and Co. (photographic exhibit) The Bridges - Jadczyk Correspondence The Weidner - Jadczyk Correspondence
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